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Fandom, Porn, and a Culture of Dreamers.

October 1, 2008 in Fandom, Tribes by Eric

Anki-In-The-ShadesWhen I stumbled across trobadora’s The Internet is for Porn? I was initially uncomfortable with the discussion. The frank discussion of fannish sexuality is not something I am used to seeing in writing… but it is all too familiar a topic around the table over the weekends and at the cons.

I am not sure why I was so uncomfortable with the subject. It is not like I have not mentioned in on the show or in conversations with others, but this direct approach, insightful comments, and probing questions made me squirm a little in my seat.

In our fannish circles, porn is very much … normalised, for lack of a better word. It’s part of the everyday landscape, and writing it or posting it is not in any way, shape or form remarkable. (Except for the “oooh, shiny!” factor, of course.) It’s even an ordinary social gesture – the “bake you cookies and write you porn” aspect (The Internet is for Porn?).

That is the moment that I started squirming. Why is it normal to talk about slash without a thought about what it is we are really talking about? It is not uncommon for the conversation to get started and in the right fan circles, the participants are open about their favorites. Is this because our fan culture is more coarse, crass, or jaded than the mainstream culture?

I don’t think so. While I have been accused of having an overly bright view of the fan culture, I think it is a result of the very nature of Speculative Fiction Fandom.

  1. Fans are generally liberal. It is easier to look forward when you are not tied to the past
  2. Fans truly love. They do not simply like the characters, settings, and series, they have a deep love for them.
  3. Fans are dreamers. We are not satisfied with merely watching or reading, we dream up other stories. We are constantly asking, “What if?”
  4. Fans share. We are not content with these ideas living in our head, we share them with each other

As a result of these things, it is not surprising that we ask ourselves what it would be like if two of our favorite characters hooked up, we write the story and share it with the community.

Why are we not ashamed of the sometime sexually explicit stories we tell? I am not sure. For me, it is probably because I am gay. I am used to people looking down on me for who I love. Why would I care if they found about anything else? They already think I am a pervert. I have no where else to go from there.

Now, many of you are probably going to say, “I don’t even know what your talking about.”

Say you’re participating in one of those other fannish spaces as well, and you’re (for whatever reason) writing porn in that fandom. What do you do with it? What would you feel comfortable with?

Would you feel comfortable posting it in its own fandom, even though it would not be a normal fannish activity there?

First of all I would say there is a difference between porn and erotica. I am not parsing words, there is a very real difference. I apologize for the crass language here, but it is better to be blunt than verbose:

  • Porn is fiction that contains a lot of sex for the sake of getting you off.
  • Erotica is fiction that contains a lot of sex but the story and characterizations “cannot be summed up in diagrams” to quote Stephen Moffat.

Most of the fanfiction I am talking about is erotic because it does the latter and not the former. On that note, to answer the question, I am not sure what fan communities are being discussed where the conversation of slash does not pop up from time to time.

The only time I would not feel comfortable is if there were minors in the conversation. It is not my place to introduce these kids to a discussion of sexuality they may or may not be ready for. Other than that, I am not sure what would prevent me.

What if that fandom were mostly populated by fanboys?

Well, I find popular heterosexual male sexuality to be abrasive and overly crude. It is something that should be discussed. The flirtation present in the stories is something I think most heterosexual males would be bored by. I hope I am wrong.

The types of fanfic we are talking about are:

  • slash: male/male erotic fanfic
  • femslash: female/female erotic fanfic
  • hetslash: male/female erotic fanfic
  • PWP: porn without plot

Does it really matter who you’re writing for? How much, how does it matter?

I think it does. I know I am not the only one who has wondered about the relationship between Ivanova and Talia or Sirius and Lupin. These questions are unanswered in the canon, so we are left to fill in the blanks with fanfiction.

The audience matters because well written fanfic is about the characters. Whether it is slash or not, if the story is bad, then why would I take time to read it? There are some audiences that just want PWP, and I am not in that crowd.

How much of a difference would it make whether it was an explicit sex scene in a longer fic or an all-out PWP?

Just as the audience matters, so does the content. If the story is good, and the sex is integral to the plot, the better the story will be.

Would it bother you more if the porn in question were slash or het?

A lot of the slash and het I have seen is more of an odd fantasy of the writer than a story worth spending any time with.

What if it were, say, het with a dominant male character?

This is where the problem comes in. A lot of the male dominant fiction, fanfic or not, is little more than a dose of male bravado with a side order of nudity. I prefer stories about equals.

What makes Smut

I read a lot of Speculative fiction, and sex is not absent from the “mainstream” fiction. It is hard to miss it in Anne Rice, Christopher Golden, Clive Barker, Anne McCaffrey… most SF not written or inspired by Tolkien.

I think we work ourselves into fits because, as with everything, there are some people who take it too far. Nothing can be down about these people except to ignore them.

There is nothing to be embarrassed about when we are talking about sexuality or erotica. Honestly, I think this has more to do with our popular culture and its perception of us.

In Pop Culture, sex is inherently smutty. It is a tool used to sell a product. Many movie trailers have become little more than “Watch this film and see these people naked.” Under those conditions, we tend to allow ourselves to see all sex as smutty. What we have to do is establish certain personal rules:

  1. Sex is natural.
  2. Sex is not a game or a contest. It is not about collecting trophies.
  3. Respect is a prerequisite. If we do not respect ourselves or our characters, it shows and it degrades everyone.
  4. Sexually explicit stories or scenes without a grounding in character and plot are porn.

Did I make you uncomfortable? I hope not. I think it is time for some frank conversation. Now let’s all sing Slash Wallow.

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by Eric

Twilight, a book to read or not to read

September 2, 2008 in Books, Movies by Eric

twilight Twilight, a book to read or not to read I have been soliciting opinions about Twilight by Stephanie Meyers through our Project: Shadow Informant Podcast.  I have been teetering between reading it or not reading it.  After putting the question before a round table of friends recently, I had decided not to read the book out of fear that it would be a waste of my time and that I would probably not like it.

Whether it is fair or not, I put a lot of weight on the opinions of other writers, especially when I like their work.

On that note, Emerian Rich wrote

Hiya Eric–

 Twilight, a book to read or not to read

This is to you and anyone else who hasn’t read Twilight yet. I felt the same way. Many of my fans wanted and begged me to read Twilight about six months ago. I put it off… feigned busy-ness… cleaned the fridge… anything I could do to ignore it.

Then one day I was ready to record my podcast and suddenly our power went out. AND IT WAS OUT FOR 12 HOURS!

So, I decided to pick up Twilight, flashlight in hand. It started slow… and then, I was caught up in the magic that is Edward Cullen and his family. I read the next 2 books in one week. It’s one of those books that you want to read so badly that you find yourself skimming the pages because you want to know what’s going to happen next… but then you have to go back and re-read the page because you realize you read it too fast and didn’t catch what happened. It’s one of those books that kinda pisses me off because I want to finish it so badly that I put off things I SHOULD be doing. Needless to say, I’m glad I’m ¾ done with the last one because it’s been eating up my time! I didn’t expect to like it so much. All that being said, let me state my disclosure.

This book series is written mostly from a girl’s point of view and may not appeal to men. Although some scenes in the 2nd & 3rd book are freakin’ awesome (like the fights between vamps & werewolves), some men may not give it that much of a chance to reach those scenes. I’m not sure if Edward’s sexual magnetism will translate to men who like men? I would think so, but you never know. He’s got that thing… that “Darcy” thing where you think he hates her, but he’s really overcome by passion for her to the point of making it difficult to “control himself”. She begs him to let go in future books… but does not get her wish until book 4. Also, Jacob (the werewolf) is almost addictive and I even found myself hoping Edward would leave for good, so that Jacob’s hot-blooded werewolf body would get used as it was supposed to be. Excuse me… did I say that?

Anyway—As always, please judge the book separate from the movie & trailers. I don’t mind the actors/actresses for Twilight, but I feel they are doing a film that is much more YA than the book reads. I haven’t seen the film yet, but I get this feeling from the trailers. They could have gone older and darker than they did. They could have stayed young but had a more “Blood & Chocolate” feel. I hate to be one of those people who say someone’s trying to ride on the Harry Potter coat tails, but this movie seems like the studio is trying to do that. That doesn’t mean I won’t go see the film, start a blog, and name my 2nd child after the stars, becoming completely fangirl.

There’s my take on Twilight.

I’m curious on your take. Was I tricked by my girly adolescent dreams of having the prefect indestructible boyfriend who protects me at all costs, lays next to me in bed all night and can hear my dad coming so he will disappear suddenly? Or, is it really all that?

Give Twilight A Chance. – Project: Shadow HQ.

Well, the trailer looks interesting and I hate seeing a movie that I have not read the book upon which it is based.  I love vampire books, and after my deep disappointment with the last books I tried to read that was not in a series I was already familiar with, I am a bit nervous about trying out a new book.  (my wounds have not healed from the literary wounds yet)

My biggest concern was that the book was a kiddie vampire novel.  As a fan of Emerian’s Night’s Knights, I will take her word that it is not.  The others that I asked condemned the book for its lack of originality in its setting and story, but I am not aware of an original vampire novel beyond Christopher Golden’s Shadow Chronicles.

On Emerian’s review, I have decided to read the book and give it a try.  What are you going to do, and if you have already read the book leave a polite comment here on in the forum.

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